Book 1, Chapter 30
Original Latin
62 Epicurum igitur audiemus potius? Namque Carneades concertationis studio modo hoc, modo illud ait; ille, quod sentit; sentit autem nihil umquam elegans, nihil decorum. Hunc ergo antepones Platoni et Socrati? qui ut rationem non redderent, auctoritate tamen hos minutos philosophos vincerent. Iubet igitur Plato sic ad somnum proficisci corporibus adfectis, ut nihil sit, quod errorem animis perturbationemque adferat. Ex quo etiam Pythagoriis interdictum putatur, ne faba vescerentur, quod habet inflationem magnam is cibus tranquillitati mentis quaerenti vera contrariam.
63 Cum ergo est somno sevocatus animus a societate et a contagione corporis, tum meminit praeteritorum, praesentia cernit, futura providet; iacet enim corpus dormientis ut mortui, viget autem et vivit animus. Quod multo magis faciet post mortem, cum omnino corpore excesserit. Itaque adpropinquante morte multo est divinior. Nam et id ipsum vident, qui sunt morbo gravi et mortifero adfecti, instare mortem; itaque iis occurrunt plerumque imagines mortuorum, tumque vel maxume laudi student, eosque, qui secus, quam decuit, vixerunt, peccatorum suorum tum maxume paenitet.
64 Divinare autem morientes illo etiam exemplo confirmat Posidonius, quod adfert, Rhodium quendam morientem sex aequales nominasse et dixisse, qui primus eorum, qui secundus, qui deinde deinceps moriturus esset. Sed tribus modis censet deorum adpulsu homines somniare, uno, quod provideat animus ipse per sese, quippe qui deorum cognatione teneatur, altero, quod plenus aër sit inmortalium animorum, in quibus tamquam insignitae notae veritatis appareant, tertio, quod ipsi di cum dormientibus conloquantur. Idque, ut modo dixi, facilius evenit adpropinquante morte, ut animi futura augurentur.
Musean translation
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62 “Shall we listen to Epicurus instead? Carneades, in his eagerness for debate, says now one thing and now another; Epicurus says what he thinks, but never thinks anything refined or noble. Will you set him above Plato and Socrates, who, even if they offered no reasons, would outweigh these petty philosophers by their authority alone? Plato, then, bids us go to sleep with our bodies in such a state that nothing can bring error and disturbance to our minds. This is also thought to be why the Pythagoreans were forbidden to eat beans: that food produces great flatulence, which disturbs the tranquility of a mind seeking truth.
63 “When, therefore, sleep withdraws the soul from companionship and contact with the body, it remembers the past, perceives the present, and foresees the future. The sleeper’s body lies like a dead man’s, but the soul is vigorous and alive. Far more will it be so after death, when it has left the body altogether. Hence, as death draws near, its power of divination greatly increases. People afflicted by a grave and fatal illness perceive that death itself is near; images of the dead often appear to them, and at that time they are especially eager for praise, while those who have lived otherwise than they should are then most tormented by remorse for their sins.
64 “Posidonius offers further support for the divination of the dying with the example of a Rhodian who, as he lay dying, named six men of his own age and said which would die first, which second, and which would follow each in turn. He holds that people dream through the impulse of the gods in three ways: first, the soul foresees by its own power, bound as it is by kinship to the gods; second, the air is full of immortal souls in which the marks of truth appear as though imprinted; third, the gods themselves converse with sleepers. And, as I said just now, it is easier for souls to foretell the future when death is near.
Plain English translation
Complete machine-assisted Plain English translation, made independently and directly from the Latin, never from the Musean edition. Both books and every numbered section; a separate Latin-source model review covered the entire text. No human specialist review is claimed.
62 “Are we to listen to Epicurus instead, then? Carneades says first one thing and then another because he enjoys debate. Epicurus says what he thinks, but he never thinks anything fine or worthy. Will you rank him above Plato and Socrates? Even if they gave no reasons, their authority would outweigh these small-time philosophers. Plato's advice, then, is to prepare the body for sleep so that the mind is not led into confusion or mistakes. The ban on beans among Pythagoreans is also explained this way. That food causes a great deal of gas, which works against the calm the mind needs when searching for truth.
63 “So when sleep draws the soul away from partnership and contact with the body, it remembers the past, sees the present, and foresees the future. The sleeper's body lies like a corpse, but the soul is active and alive. It will do this much more after death, when it has left the body altogether. That is why it has far greater powers of divination as death approaches. People suffering from a serious, fatal illness see this very thing: that death is near. So images of the dead generally appear to them. At that time they are especially eager for a good name, and those who have lived wrongly feel the deepest regret for their sins.
64 “Posidonius also supports the claim that the dying can divine with this example. As he lay dying, a man from Rhodes listed six people as old as himself and predicted the sequence of their deaths, naming the first, the second, and each one after that. Posidonius thinks people dream under the influence of the gods in three ways. First, the soul foresees things by itself, because it is linked by kinship to the gods. Second, the air is full of immortal souls, in which signs of truth appear as if clearly stamped. Third, the gods themselves speak with people as they sleep. As I just said, the soul more easily foretells the future as death approaches.
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