Book 1, Chapter 29
Original Latin
60 At multa falsa. Immo obscura fortasse nobis. Sed sint falsa quaedam; contra vera quid dicimus? Quae quidem multo plura evenirent, si ad quietem integri iremus. Nunc onusti cibo et vino perturbata et confusa cernimus. Vide, quid Socrates in Platonis Politia loquatur. Dicit enim: “Cum dormientibus ea pars animi, quae mentis et rationis sit particeps, sopita langueat, illa autem, in qua feritas quaedam sit atque agrestis inmanitas, cum sit inmoderato obstupefacta potu atque pastu, exsultare eam in somno inmoderateque iactari. Itaque huic omnia visa obiciuntur a mente ac ratione vacua, ut aut cum matre corpus miscere videatur aut cum quovis alio vel homine vel deo, saepe belua, atque etiam trucidare aliquem et impie cruentari multaque facere inpure atque taetre cum temeritate et inpudentia.
61 At qui salubri et moderato cultu atque victu quieti se tradiderit ea parte animi, quae mentis et consilii est, agitata et erecta saturataque bonarum cogitationum epulis, eaque parte animi, quae voluptate alitur, nec inopia enecta nec satietate affluenti (quorum utrumque praestringere aciem mentis solet, sive deest naturae quippiam sive abundat atque affluit), illa etiam tertia parte animi, in qua irarum existit ardor, sedata atque restincta, tum eveniet duabus animi temerariis partibus compressis, ut illa tertia pars rationis et mentis eluceat et se vegetam ad somniandum acremque praebeat, tum ei visa quietis occurrent tranquilla atque veracia.” Haec verba ipsa Platonis expressi.
Musean translation
Complete machine-assisted Musean translation, made directly from the Latin in separate source-only tasks and reviewed throughout against it. Both books, all 130 chapters and 282 numbered sections; no historical English translation used. Latin transcription credited to the Perseus Project under CC BY-SA 4.0, Müller’s 1915 Teubner edition.
60 “‘But many dreams are false.’ Or perhaps obscure to us. Still, let some be false: what do we say in answer to the true ones? Far more would come true if we went to sleep with our faculties unimpaired. As it is, loaded with food and wine, we see confusion and disorder. Consider what Socrates says in Plato’s Republic: ‘When people sleep, the part of the soul that shares in intellect and reason lies dormant and slack. But the part containing a certain ferocity and savage brutality, stupefied by immoderate eating and drinking, leaps up in sleep and tosses about without restraint. So every kind of vision assails it, stripped of intellect and reason: it seems to couple with its mother, or with anyone else, human or god, often even a beast; to slaughter someone and stain itself with impious blood; and to commit many foul and loathsome acts with recklessness and shamelessness.
61 “‘But suppose a person gives himself to rest after a healthy, moderate way of living and eating, having roused and quickened the part of the soul that thinks and judges, and fed it with a feast of good thoughts. Suppose the part nourished by pleasure is neither starved by want nor overflowing with excess—both commonly blunt the mind’s vision, whether nature lacks something or has an overflowing abundance. Suppose also that the third part of the soul, where anger blazes up, has been soothed and quenched. Then, with the two unruly parts subdued, the third, the seat of reason and intellect, will shine out, showing itself vigorous and keen for dreaming; and the visions that meet it in sleep will be peaceful and true.’ I have rendered Plato’s very words.
Plain English translation
Complete machine-assisted Plain English translation, made independently and directly from the Latin, never from the Musean edition. Both books and every numbered section; a separate Latin-source model review covered the entire text. No human specialist review is claimed.
60 “‘But many dreams are false.’ Or perhaps they are obscure to us. Still, let some be false. What do we say, on the other side, about the true ones? We would have far more of these if we went to bed in a sound state. As it is, weighed down with food and wine, we see confused and jumbled things. Look at what Socrates says in Plato's Republic. He says, ‘When we are asleep, the part of the soul that shares in thought and reason grows numb and weak. But the part with a wild and savage fierceness, stupefied by too much drink and food, leaps up in sleep and throws itself about without restraint. Every sort of vision, empty of thought and reason, is put before it. It may dream of sex with its own mother, with any other human being or a god, often even with an animal. It may even slaughter someone and stain itself with sinful blood, or do many filthy and disgusting things, recklessly and shamelessly.
61 “‘But suppose someone goes to sleep after living and eating in a healthy, moderate way. He has roused and stirred up the part of his soul that thinks and plans, and has fed it with a feast of good thoughts. He has neither starved the part fed by pleasure nor filled it to overflowing. Either extreme tends to dull the mind's sharp vision, whether nature is deprived of something or has too much and overflows. He has also calmed and quenched that third part of the soul, where anger burns. Then, with the soul's two reckless parts held down, the remaining part, which thinks and reasons, will shine out and show itself lively and sharp for dreaming. The visions that come to him in sleep will then be calm and true.’ I have translated Plato's own words.
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