Book 1 — Fragments of Uncertain Position
Original Latin
SECTION 1
(Plin. Nat. praef. 7)nec doctíssimis.
†Manium Persium haec légere nolo, Iúnium Congúm volo.
SECTION 2
(Non. p. 426M) Sic, quoniam plura beneficia continet patria et est antiquior parens quam is, qui creavit, maior ei profecto quam parenti debetur gratia.
SECTION 3
(Non. p. 526M) Nec tantum Karthago habuisset opum sescentos fere annos sine consiliis et disciplina.
SECTION 4
(Non. p. 276M) Cognoscere mehercule, inquit, consuetudinem istam et studium sermonis.
SECTION 5
(Lactant. Div. Inst. 3.16.5) Profecto omnis istorum disputatio, quamquam uberrimos fontes virtutis et scientiae continet, tamen collata cum eorum actis perfectisque rebus vereor ne non tantum videatur attulisse negotii hominibus, quantam oblectationem.
SECTION 6
(Arusianus Messius GL 7.457K) A qua isti avocabant.
Musean translation
All surviving text in Mueller’s 1889 edition, including the Dream of Scipio and fragments. Machine-assisted Musean translation directly from Latin, independently of Plain English, with Latin-source model review. […] marks loss; † marks a corrupt reading. In the Original, braces mark deleted words, which are not translated. Unidentified letter remnants remain in the Original.
SECTION 1
(Plin. Nat. praef. 7)nor for the most learned.
I do not want †Manius Persius to read this; I want Junius Congus.
SECTION 2
(Non. p. 426M) Thus, since our country embraces more benefits and is a parent older than the one who begot us, surely we owe it greater gratitude than we owe our parent.
SECTION 3
(Non. p. 526M) Nor would Carthage have possessed such great power for nearly six hundred years without wise counsels and discipline.
SECTION 4
(Non. p. 276M) “To recognize, by Hercules,” he said, “that habit and devotion to conversation.”
SECTION 5
(Lactant. Div. Inst. 3.16.5) Certainly all their discussion, although it contains the richest wellsprings of virtue and knowledge, yet, compared with their deeds and accomplishments, may seem, I fear, to have brought people less work than enjoyment.
SECTION 6
(Arusianus Messius GL 7.457K) From which those men were calling them away.
Plain English translation
All surviving text in Mueller’s 1889 edition, including the Dream of Scipio and fragments. Machine-assisted Plain English directly from Latin, not from Musean or a historical English edition, with Latin-source model review. […] marks loss; † marks a corrupt reading. In the Original, braces mark deleted words, which are not translated. Unidentified letter remnants remain in the Original.
SECTION 1
(Plin. Nat. praef. 7)not for the greatest scholars either.
“I don't want †Manius Persius to read this. I want Junius Congus to.”
SECTION 2
(Non. p. 426M) So our country gives us more benefits and is an older parent than our father. We certainly owe it more thanks than we owe him.
SECTION 3
(Non. p. 526M) “Nor would Carthage have had such great resources for nearly six hundred years without good judgment and discipline.”
SECTION 4
(Non. p. 276M) “To get to know that habit of yours and your interest in conversation, by Hercules,” he said.
SECTION 5
(Lactant. Div. Inst. 3.16.5) “Certainly all their discussion contains very rich sources of excellence and knowledge. Still, compared with their actions and achievements, I fear it may seem to have given people less useful work than enjoyment.”
SECTION 6
(Arusianus Messius GL 7.457K) From which those men were calling away.
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