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Chapter 19

19 of 25 chapters in On Fate by Marcus Tullius Cicero

Original Latin

43 Ut igitur, inquit, qui protrusit cylindrum, dedit ei principium motionis, volubilitatem autem non dedit, sic visum obiectum inprimet illud quidem et quasi signabit in animo suam speciem, sed adsensio nostra erit in potestate, eaque, quem ad modum in cylindro dictum est, extrinsecus pulsa, quod reliquum est, suapte vi et natura movebitur. Quodsi aliqua res efficeretur sine causa antecedente, falsum esset omnia fato fieri; sin omnibus, quaecumque fiunt, veri simile est causam antecedere, quid adferri poterit, cur non omnia fato fieri fatendum sit? modo intellegatur, quae sit causarum distinctio ac dissimilitudo.

44 Haec cum ita sint a Chrysippo explicata, si illi, qui negant adsensiones fato fieri, †fateantur tamen eas non sine viso antecedente fieri, alia ratio est; sed, si concedunt anteire visa, nec tamen fato fieri adsensiones, quod proxima illa et continens causa non moveat adsensionem, vide, ne idem dicant. Neque enim Chrysippus, concedens adsensionis proximam et continentem causam esse in viso positam, [neque] eam causam esse ad adsentiendum necessariam concedet, ut, si omnia fato fiant, omnia causis fiant antecedentibus et necessariis; itemque illi, qui ab hoc dissentiunt confitentes non fieri adsensiones sine praecursione visorum, dicent, si omnia fato fierent eius modi, ut nihil fieret nisi praegressione causae, confitendum esse fato fieri omnia; ex quo facile intellectu est, quoniam utrique patefacta atque explicata sententia sua ad eundem exitum veniant, verbis eos, non re dissidere.

45 Omninoque cum haec sit distinctio, ut quibusdam in rebus vere dici possit, cum hae causae antegressae sint, non esse in nostra potestate, quin illa eveniant, quorum causae fuerint, quibusdam autem in rebus causis antegressis in nostra tamen esse potestate, ut illud aliter eveniat, hanc distinctionem utrique adprobant, sed alteri censent, quibus in rebus, cum causae antecesserint, non sit in nostra potestate, ut aliter illa eveniant, eas fato fieri; quae autem in nostra potestate sint, ab iis fatum abesse […]

Musean translation

Mouseia’s complete machine-assisted Musean translation, made directly from the surviving Latin in separate source-only tasks. Sections 1–48 and five fragments/testimonia follow Müller’s 1915 edition; lost passages remain marked. Perseus source and these derived editions CC BY-SA 4.0.

43 “Just as the man who pushed the cylinder,” he says, “gave it the beginning of its motion, but did not give it its capacity to roll, so an impression presented to the mind will indeed impress and, as it were, stamp its own image upon it, but our assent will be in our power. And that assent, as we said of the cylinder, once set in motion from outside, will move for the rest by its own force and nature. If anything were brought about without an antecedent cause, it would be false that everything happens by fate. But if it is likely that a cause precedes everything that happens, what reason can be offered for not admitting that everything happens by fate? Only let the distinction and difference between causes be understood.”

44 Now that Chrysippus has explained matters in this way, if those who deny that acts of assent occur by fate †nevertheless admit that they do not occur without a preceding impression, that is a different account. But if they grant that impressions precede, yet hold that acts of assent do not occur by fate because that proximate and immediate cause does not set assent in motion, consider whether they are not saying the same thing. Nor will Chrysippus, in granting that the proximate and immediate cause of assent lies in the impression, [nor will he] grant that this is a cause which necessitates assent, so that, if everything happens by fate, everything happens through antecedent and necessitating causes. Likewise, those who disagree with him, while acknowledging that acts of assent do not occur without impressions coming first, will say that if everything happened by a fate of such a kind that nothing happened without a cause going before it, one would have to acknowledge that everything happens by fate. From this it is easy to understand that, since both parties, once they have disclosed and explained their meaning, reach the same conclusion, they disagree in words, not in substance.

45 In general, the distinction is this: in some cases it can truly be said that, once these causes have gone before, it is not in our power to prevent the events of which they were the causes from occurring; in other cases, even when causes have gone before, it is still in our power for the outcome to be otherwise. Both parties approve this distinction. But one party holds that those events which, once their causes have gone before, it is not in our power to make turn out otherwise occur by fate, whereas events that are in our power are exempt from fate […]

Plain English translation

Mouseia’s complete machine-assisted direct-Latin Plain English translation. Initial drafts used separate Latin-only tasks; later source-based editorial revisions were made by a reviewer with prior editorial access to Musean, not from its English wording. Includes all 48 sections and five fragments/testimonia, with lost passages marked. Perseus source and these derived editions CC BY-SA 4.0.

43 He says: “Pushing a cylinder gives it the start of its motion, not its capacity for rolling. An impression presented to the mind does something similar. It leaves its own likeness stamped there, rather like a seal. But giving assent remains our decision. Assent, like the cylinder in our example, receives a push from outside. After that, its own power and nature carry on the movement. A single event without a prior cause would disprove the claim that fate governs everything. But a prior cause seems likely for every event that takes place. What could justify refusing to acknowledge fate as the explanation of all events? Only be sure you understand how the kinds of causes differ and how they must be distinguished.”

44 That is Chrysippus' explanation. Now take the people who deny that fate governs assent. If they †still acknowledge that an impression has to precede assent, the argument is different. But suppose they allow that impressions come first while still rejecting fated assent, because that immediate and closely connected cause does not set assent in motion. Look at whether their point is actually the same as his. Chrysippus allows the impression to be assent's immediate and closely connected cause. He does not [nor] allow it to be a cause that forces assent, making all events both caused in advance and compelled if they are all fated. His opponents likewise accept that impressions must arrive before assent. They will say this: “If saying that all events are fated means that each event requires a cause to come before it, we must acknowledge that all events are fated.” It is therefore easy to understand their disagreement. When each party opens up and explains its position, both arrive at one result. Their words differ; their actual views do not.

45 In general, the distinction runs as follows. For some events, after certain causes have come first, we can truly say we have no power to stop the resulting events from occurring. For others, the causes may already have come first, yet we retain the power to change the result. Both parties accept that division. One party, however, calls an event fated when its preceding causes leave us unable to change its outcome. Things we can control, they say, have no fate attached to them […]

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