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Book 3, Chapter 19

95 of 189 parts in Tusculan Disputations by Marcus Tullius Cicero

Original Latin

44 haec Epicuro confitenda sunt aut ea, quae modo expressa ad verbum dixi, tollenda de libro vel totus liber potius abiciundus; est enim confertus voluptatibus. Quaerendum igitur, quem ad modum aegritudine privemus eum qui ita dicat: Pol míhi fortuna mágis nunc defit quám genus. Námque regnum súppetebat mi, út scias, quanto é loco, Quántis opibus, quíbus de rebus lápsa fortuna áccidat. quid? huic calix mulsi impingendus est, ut plorare desinat, aut aliquid eius modi? ecce tibi ex altera parte ab eodem poëta; ‘ex opibus summis opis egens, Hector, tuae’—huic subvenire debemus; quaerit enim auxilium: Quíd petam praésidi aut éxequar quóve nunc Aúxilio éxili aút fugae fréta sim? Árce et urbe órba sum. quo áccidam? quo ápplicem? Cuí nec arae pátriae domi stant, fráctae et disiectaé iacent, Fána flamma déflagrata, tósti alti stant párietes Déformati atque ábiete crispa— scitis quae sequantur, et illa in primis: O páter, o patria, o Príami domus, Saeptum áltisono cardíne templum! Vidi égo te adstante ope bárbarica Tectís caelatis láqueatis, Auro ébore instructam régifice.

45 o poëtam egregium! quamquam ab his cantoribus Euphorionis contemnitur. sentit omnia repentina et necopinata esse graviora; exaggeratis igitur regiis opibus, quae videbantur sempiternae fore, quid adiungit? Haec ómnia vidi inflámmari, Priamó vi vitam evítari, Iovis áram sanguine túrpari.

46 praeclarum carmen! est enim et rebus et verbis et modis lugubre. Eripiamus huic aegritudinem. quo modo? conlocemus in culcita plumea, psaltriam adducamus, demus hedycrum, <odorum> incendamus scutellam, dulciculae potionis aliquid videamus et cibi? haec tandem bona sunt, quibus aegritudines gravissumae detrahantur? tu enim paulo ante ne intellegere quidem te alia ulla dicebas. revocari igitur oportere a maerore ad cogitationem bonorum conveniret mihi cum Epicuro, si, quid esset bonum, conveniret.

Musean translation

Complete machine-assisted translation from the Latin. Latin transcription by the Perseus Project, Trustees of Tufts University, CC BY-SA 4.0.

44 “Epicurus must admit these things, or remove from his book the passages I have just rendered word for word—or rather discard the entire book, for it is packed with pleasures. We must therefore ask how to free from distress someone who speaks like this: “‘By Pollux, fortune fails me now more than my birth. “‘For I had a kingdom—so you may know from what a height, “‘From what wealth and circumstances, fallen fortune strikes.’ “What? Must we thrust a cup of honeyed wine upon him, or something of the sort, to stop his weeping? Look now at the other side, from the same poet: ‘From highest wealth, in need of your help, Hector.’ We must come to her aid, for she seeks assistance: “‘What protection can I seek or pursue? In what “‘Help can I now trust in exile or in flight? “‘Stripped of citadel and city, where can I fall, where turn? “‘My country’s altars no longer stand at home, but lie broken and scattered; “‘The shrines are burned in flame; the high walls stand scorched, “‘Disfigured, with their warped fir timbers—’ “You know what follows, and especially these lines: “‘O father, O country, O house of Priam, “‘Temple enclosed by a loud-sounding hinge! “‘I saw you, with foreign forces standing by, “‘With carved and paneled ceilings, “‘Royally furnished in gold and ivory.’

45 “What an outstanding poet, though these singers of Euphorion despise him! He perceives that everything sudden and unexpected is harder to bear. Having therefore magnified the royal wealth that seemed destined to last forever, what does he add? “‘I saw all this set ablaze, “‘Priam robbed of life by violence, “‘Jupiter’s altar fouled with blood.’

46 “A magnificent song! In subject, language, and rhythms alike it is full of mourning. Let us take away her distress. How? Shall we settle her on a feather cushion, bring in a girl to play the harp, offer a sweet perfume, burn a little dish of <fragrances>, and look for something sweet to drink and eat? Are these, then, the good things by which the gravest distress is to be removed? A moment ago you said you could not even conceive of any others. I would agree with Epicurus, then, that we ought to be recalled from grief to the thought of good things, if we agreed about what a good thing is.”

Plain English translation

Complete independent machine-assisted translation directly from the Latin. Latin transcription by the Perseus Project, Trustees of Tufts University, CC BY-SA 4.0.

44 “Epicurus must admit this, or remove from his book the passages I’ve just translated word for word. Better still, he must throw out the whole book: it’s crammed with pleasures. So we have to ask how to free someone from distress who speaks like this: “‘By Pollux, it’s fortune that fails me now, more than my ancestry. “‘I had a kingdom, I tell you, so you may know from what a height, “‘From what wealth, from what possessions my fallen fortune has crashed.’ “Well? Should we force a cup of honeyed wine on him to make him stop crying, or something of that sort? Here’s another case, from the same poet: ‘From the greatest wealth to needing your help, Hector.’ We must come to her aid. She’s asking for help: “‘What protection should I seek or pursue? What “‘Help can I now rely on in exile or flight? “‘I’ve lost my fortress and city. Where can I fall? Where can I turn? “‘At home my country’s altars don’t stand; they lie broken and scattered. “‘The shrines have burned down; high walls stand scorched, “‘Disfigured, with fir wood curled—’ “You know what follows, especially these lines: “‘My father, my country, Priam’s home, “‘The temple enclosed by a loudly ringing hinge! “‘I saw you with foreign forces standing in support, “‘With carved and paneled ceilings, “‘Royally furnished with gold and ivory.’

45 “A wonderful poet! Never mind the contempt of these people who sing Euphorion’s praises. He knows how much worse a blow feels when it strikes suddenly, without warning. That’s why he first magnifies the riches of the royal house, apparently there to last forever. Then what comes next? “‘I watched the whole place burning, “‘Priam’s life torn from him by force, “‘The altar of Jupiter fouled with blood.’

46 “What a splendid poem! Its events, words, and rhythms are all mournful. Let’s take away her distress. How? Should we put her on a feather cushion, bring in a woman to play the harp, give her perfume, burn a little dish of incense, and look for some sweet drink and food? Are these really the good things that can remove the heaviest distress? Just a little while ago you said you couldn’t even understand any others. So I’d agree with Epicurus that people should be brought back from grief to thinking about good things—if we agreed on what ‘good’ meant.”

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Book 3, Chapter 19 is part of Tusculan Disputations by Marcus Tullius Cicero. This page sets the Latin original beside 2 direct-source translations, so any line can be checked against the source. It is part 95 of 189 in the work, which is kept in the Roman tradition.

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