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Book 2, Chapter 24

82 of 130 chapters in On Divination by Marcus Tullius Cicero

Original Latin

51 Num ergo opus est ad haec refellenda Carneade? num Epicuro? estne quisquam ita desipiens, qui credat exaratum esse, deum dicam an hominem? Si deum, cur se contra naturam in terram abdiderat, ut patefactus aratro lucem aspiceret? quid? idem nonne poterat deus hominibus disciplinam superiore e loco tradere? Si autem homo ille Tages fuit, quonam modo potuit terra oppressus vivere? unde porro illa potuit, quae docebat alios, ipse didicisse? Sed ego insipientior quam illi ipsi, qui ista credunt, qui quidem contra eos tam diu disputem.

Vetus autem illud Catonis admodum scitum est, qui mirari se aiebat, quod non rideret haruspex, haruspicem cum vidisset.

52 Quota enim quaeque res evenit praedicta ab istis? aut, si evenit quippiam, quid adferri potest, cur non casu id evenerit? Rex Prusias, cum Hannibali apud eum exsulanti depugnari placeret, negabat se audere, quod exta prohiberent. ‘Ain tu?’ inquit, ‘carunculae vitulinae mavis quam imperatori veteri credere?’ Quid? ipse Caesar cum a summo haruspice moneretur, ne in Africam ante brumam transmitteret, nonne transmisit? quod ni fecisset, uno in loco omnes adversariorum copiae convenissent. Quid ego haruspicum responsa commemorem (possum equidem innumerabilia), quae aut nullos habuerint exitus aut contrarios?

53 Hoc civili bello, di inmortales! quam multa luserunt! quae nobis in Graeciam Roma responsa haruspicum missa sunt! quae dicta Pompeio! etenim ille admodum extis et ostentis movebatur. Non lubet commemorare, nec vero necesse est, tibi praesertim, qui interfuisti; vides tamen omnia fere contra, ac dicta sint, evenisse. Sed haec hactenus; nunc ad ostenta veniamus.

Musean translation

Complete machine-assisted Musean translation, made directly from the Latin in separate source-only tasks and reviewed throughout against it. Both books, all 130 chapters and 282 numbered sections; no historical English translation used. Latin transcription credited to the Perseus Project under CC BY-SA 4.0, Müller’s 1915 Teubner edition.

51 “Do we need Carneades to refute this? Or Epicurus? Is anyone so foolish as to believe that someone was plowed up—shall I call him god or man? If a god, why had he hidden himself underground, contrary to nature, to see daylight only when a plow uncovered him? Could this same god not have taught his discipline to human beings from a higher station? But if Tages was a man, how could he live buried under the earth? And where could he himself have learned what he taught others? Yet I am more foolish than the believers themselves, spending so long arguing against them.

“That old remark of Cato's is very shrewd: he used to say he wondered how one haruspex could see another without laughing.

52 “How few of their predictions ever come true! And if something does come true, what reason can be offered why it should not have happened by chance? When Hannibal, then an exile at his court, urged a decisive battle, King Prusias said he dared not fight because the entrails forbade it. ‘What is that you say?’ Hannibal asked. ‘Would you rather trust a little piece of veal than a veteran commander?’ And Caesar himself: when a leading haruspex warned him not to cross to Africa before the winter solstice, did he not cross? Had he not done so, all his enemies' forces would have gathered in one place. Why should I list the responses of haruspices—I could give countless examples—that either went unfulfilled or had the opposite outcome?

53 “In this civil war, immortal gods, how often they deceived us! What responses of the haruspices were sent from Rome to us in Greece! What predictions were made to Pompey! He was deeply influenced by entrails and portents. I have no wish to recall them, nor is it necessary, especially for you, who were there. Yet you see that almost everything turned out contrary to their pronouncements. But enough of this; let us now turn to portents.

Plain English translation

Complete machine-assisted Plain English translation, made independently and directly from the Latin, never from the Musean edition. Both books and every numbered section; a separate Latin-source model review covered the entire text. No human specialist review is claimed.

51 “Must we call on Carneades to disprove such claims? Must we call on Epicurus? Who could be stupid enough to believe a plow dug up a being—whether god or human? If a god, why had he hidden himself in the earth against nature, to see the light when a plow uncovered him? Couldn’t the same god have taught people this system from somewhere above? But suppose Tages was human. How did he survive with earth piled over him? Where did his own knowledge come from, before he passed it on? But I am more foolish than the people who believe these things, since I spend so long arguing against them.

“Cato’s old remark is very clever. He said he was surprised that one haruspex did not laugh when he saw another.

52 “For how many of their predictions ever come true? And if something does happen, what reason can be given why it did not happen by chance? Hannibal, then living in exile at King Prusias’ court, wanted to fight a decisive battle. Prusias said he did not dare, because the internal organs forbade it. ‘Really?’ Hannibal said. ‘Would you rather trust a bit of calf’s flesh than an experienced general?’ And when a leading haruspex warned Caesar himself not to cross to Africa before the winter solstice, didn’t he cross anyway? Without that crossing, the enemy would have concentrated all their troops at one spot. What need is there to go through the haruspices’ forecasts—I could give countless examples—that either never came true or turned out the other way?

53 “Immortal gods! Think how often they made fools of us during this civil war! What predictions of haruspices were sent to us in Greece from Rome! What things they told Pompey! He was very much influenced by internal organs and portents. I do not care to recall them. Nor is it necessary: you in particular were present. You can see, though, that the outcome contradicted their predictions in almost every case. But enough of this. Now let us turn to portents.

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