Book 2, Chapter 47
Original Latin
97 Ex quo intellegitur plus terrarum situs quam lunae tactus ad nascendum valere. Nam quod aiunt quadringenta septuaginta milia annorum in periclitandis experiundisque pueris, quicumque essent nati, Babylonios posuisse, fallunt; si enim esset factitatum, non esset desitum; neminem autem habemus auctorem, qui id aut fieri dicat aut factum sciat. Videsne me non ea dicere, quae Carneades, sed ea, quae princeps Stoicorum Panaetius dixerit? Ego autem etiam haec requiro: omnesne, qui Cannensi pugna ceciderint, uno astro fuerint; exitus quidem omnium unus et idem fuit. Quid? qui ingenio atque animo singulares, num astro quoque uno? quod enim tempus, quo non innumerabiles nascantur? at certe similis nemo Homeri.
98 Et, si ad rem pertinet, quo modo caelo adfecto conpositisque sideribus quodque animal oriatur, valeat id necesse est non in hominibus solum, verum in bestiis etiam; quo quid potest dici absurdius? L. quidem Tarutius Firmanus, familiaris noster, in primis Chaldaicis rationibus eruditus, urbis etiam nostrae natalem diem repetebat ab iis Parilibus, quibus eam a Romulo conditam accepimus, Romamque, in iugo cum esset luna, natam esse dicebat nec eius fata canere dubitabat.
99 O vim maxumam erroris! Etiamne urbis natalis dies ad vim stellarum et lunae pertinebat? Fac in puero referre, ex qua adfectione caeli primum spiritum duxerit; num hoc in latere aut in caemento, ex quibus urbs effecta est, potuit valere? Sed quid plura? cotidie refelluntur. Quam multa ego Pompeio, quam multa Crasso, quam multa huic ipsi Caesari a Chaldaeis dicta memini, neminem eorum nisi senectute, nisi domi, nisi cum claritate esse moriturum! ut mihi permirum videatur quemquam exstare, qui etiam nunc credat iis, quorum praedicta cotidie videat re et eventis refelli.
Musean translation
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97 “From this we can see that a country’s position has more influence on birth than the moon’s touch. As for the claim that the Babylonians spent 470,000 years observing and testing every child that was born, it is false. Had such a practice existed, it would not have been abandoned; yet we have no authority who either says it is still done or knows that it ever was. Do you see that I am not repeating Carneades’s arguments, but those of Panaetius, a leader of the Stoics? I have these further questions. Were all who fell at the battle of Cannae born under one star? Their end, certainly, was one and the same. And were men of singular genius and spirit also born under one star? What moment passes without countless births? Yet surely no one resembles Homer.
98 “And if the condition of the sky and arrangement of the stars at the birth of any living creature matter, their influence must extend not only to human beings but to animals too. What could be more absurd? Indeed, our friend Lucius Tarutius of Firmum, a man exceptionally learned in Chaldean methods, even traced our city’s birthday back to the festival of the Parilia at which, according to tradition, Romulus founded it. He said Rome was born with the moon in Libra, and did not hesitate to prophesy its destiny.
99 “What extraordinary power delusion has! Did even a city’s birthday fall under the influence of the stars and moon? Grant that for a child the condition of the heavens at his first breath matters: could it have any effect on the bricks or rubble from which a city is built? But why say more? Every day disproves these men. How many predictions I remember the Chaldeans making to Pompey, how many to Crassus, how many to Caesar himself: none of them would die except in old age, at home, and in glory! I find it astonishing that anyone still believes people whose predictions he sees refuted every day by facts and events.”
Plain English translation
Complete machine-assisted Plain English translation, made independently and directly from the Latin, never from the Musean edition. Both books and every numbered section; a separate Latin-source model review covered the entire text. No human specialist review is claimed.
97 “This shows that geographical location matters more at birth than the moon's touch. It is false to claim that for 470,000 years the Babylonians monitored and tested all children as they were born. If this had been a regular practice, it would not have stopped. Yet we have no witness who says it is being done or knows it was done. Do you see that I am not repeating Carneades' arguments, but those of Panaetius, a leading Stoic? I also ask this: were all those killed in the battle of Cannae born under one star? Their end was certainly one and the same. And were people with exceptional talents and minds also born under a single star? At what time are countless people not being born? Yet certainly no one else is like Homer.
98 “If the condition of the sky and the arrangement of the stars at a creature's birth matter, this must apply not just to humans but to animals too. What could be more absurd? Our friend Lucius Tarutius of Firmum, who is especially learned in Chaldean calculations, even worked back to our city's birthday. He began with the festival of the Parilia on which, we are told, Romulus founded it. He said Rome was born when the moon was in the Balance, and he did not hesitate to predict its fate.
99 “What enormous power error has! Were the stars and the moon powerful even over the date a city was founded? Suppose it matters under what condition of the sky a child first takes a breath. Could that matter to the bricks or rubble from which the city was built? But why say more? They are disproved every day. I remember so many things the Chaldeans told Pompey, so many they told Crassus, and so many they told this very Caesar. They said all three would live to old age and die at home in glory! How can anyone still trust them when he sees actual events disprove their forecasts day after day?
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